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Hundreds counter Westboro Baptist Church protest

By John S. Clyde

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Published: Wednesday, October 28, 2009

Updated: Wednesday, October 28, 2009

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Dan Bracaglia/ Multimedia Editor

Dan Bracaglia/ Multimedia Editor

Hundreds of students and community members stood together outside Rutgers Hillel yesterday and drowned out the voices of the Westboro Baptist Church protesting on the opposite side of College Avenue.

“[Rutgers Hillel] was so happy with the turnout,” Hillel Student Board President Hilary Neher said. “We’re so happy that all of these people came out to stand with us against hate. [The counterprotest] was peaceful and it was tasteful, and that’s exactly what we wanted.”

Six members of the Topeka, Kan., based group, known for protesting outside funerals of fallen American servicemen, protested at the corner of Mine Street and College Avenue with signs saying “God Hates You” and “Fag University.”

The group arrived and left earlier than scheduled, and protested from about 8:15 until about 8:35 a.m. The protest had been scheduled to take place between 8:45 and 9:15 a.m. yesterday.

Despite the early arrival and a rainy morning, students lined both sides of College Avenue surrounding Rutgers Hillel, forcing the Westboro Baptist Church, which had planned to protest in front of the Hillel, to move across the street.

Neher said the counterprotest was successful and united the community.

“Everything that we did was completely on our terms,” said Neher, a School of Arts and Sciences senior. “Nobody was looking at them, nobody was acknowledging them, everyone was focused [on Rutgers Hillel] and that’s exactly what we wanted.”

Lt. J.T. Miller of the New Brunswick Police Department confirmed that the protest remained peaceful and there were no arrests.

University officials estimated that more than 650 people attended the “Rutgers United Against Hate” rally, Senior Director of Media Relations Greg Trevor said.

The counterprotest featured performances by student a cappella groups Deep Treble, Kol Halayla and Shockwave, joint interfaith and diversity statements, and recitations of the University’s fight song.

“I’m amazed and grateful,” Executive Director of Rutgers Hillel Andrew Getraer said. “You just saw people from every aspect of the campus coming together, and I think that’s what it’s all about.”

The University has the third largest Jewish population of any campus in America, said Getraer of why he thinks the group protested near Rutgers Hillel.

“The impetus for the trip was Kosherfest. We were stopping at the colleges and high schools of New Jersey and Rutgers because they were raised on a lie,” said Megan Phelps-Roper, the granddaughter of the group’s founder and pastor Fred Phelps. “We’re to inject a little truth into this insane orgy of fag lies.”

The group protested at New Brunswick Public High School prior to coming to the University.

About 30 counterprotesters were present during the protest, Miller said.

“We finished at New Brunswick High a couple minutes early so we decided to get out here and get [started],” Phelps-Roper said.

The group has protested in more than 41,000 locations, according to its Web site.

Jael Phelps, a granddaughter of Fred Phelps, said the counterprotest was similar to the others she has been to.

“We’re not trying to convert anybody. We’re not trying to get anybody on our side. This is the typical showing,” Jael Phelps said.

Across the University students wore red today in opposition to the Westboro Baptist Church.

“Hopefully [members of the community] will carry with them the connection to one another that we all built here,” Getraer said. “Anything that unites people, that brings people together and makes them feel connected to one another is a positive thing.”

Across the street from the Hillel the Second Reformed Church hung rainbow colored flags and large banners which read “Love thy neighbor,” “Love your enemies,” “Let love be genuine” and “God is love.”

“We wanted big beautiful banners to overpower their puny hate-filled banner,” said the Rev. Barbara Heck at Rutgers Protestant Campus Ministries. “I almost have to thank Westboro Baptist Church for coming because it brought the campus together in a beautiful way.”

Students held signs saying “God is Love” and “Coexist,” and spoke out against the group’s message.

“I wasn’t planning on coming because I thought it would be best if we just ignored the picketers because attention is exactly what they want, but I decided to come because I saw a lot of Rutgers students were coming [and it was going to be a peaceful protest which is what was needed],” said Zaid Abuhouran, a School of Environmental and Biological Sciences sophomore.

Senior Dean of Students Mark Schuster said the group has a history of seeking media attention and he came out to support Rutgers Hillel to oppose messages of hate.

“I was also there to support the [lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender] community as an openly gay and proud LGBT administrator,” Schuster said.

Rutgers College senior and Busch Campus Council President Shaival Shah said he saw a group of students who were united against hate, and it was a good sign that the Westboro Baptist Church left early.

“There’s so many different groups that came together today for the purpose of uniting against the hate that does exist in this world,” said Sam Weiner, a School of Arts and Sciences sophomore. “It was an empowering site to see.”

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37 comments

Ed
Tue Nov 10 2009 19:48
What they want, and whether or not we're giving it to them, has absolutely no influence on my judgment or actions. Whether they are happy or unhappy means nothing to me. If I ever see them, be assured I would point them out for others, because their existence is both educational and entertaining. What you should really be expounding on is that if people stopped giving a damn about them, THEN they would go away. It's not "Attention" itself they want or feed off of... it's that people are angered, or offended, or want them silenced and ignored.

It's like LBJ when he spread rumors that his opponent has sex with farm animals, and LBJ said, "I don't really think he does, I just want to hear him deny it." Stop trying to deny these people, we KNOW they're not true.

I hope the counter-protesters had a good time, I certainly would have if I were there.

Anthony
Thu Oct 29 2009 23:23
To those who cannot understand why the WBC MUST be ignored:

Normally, I would agree with you that this sort of behavior should be confronted. In the case of the Phelp's cult, though, giving them attention is exactly what they want. "Pastor" Phelps suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He craves attention and control and will do anything to get them. As for the rest of his family, they do not genuinely believe this nonsense either. Fred was extremely abusive to his children. He brainwashed them with threats of hell and with beatings from the time they were young.

They are not doing this to promote hatred. They are doing this for attention. They are so insane that even most bigots can't stand them. Stop giving them what they want, and they will go away.

MO
Thu Oct 29 2009 17:08
Your church is not a house of God! God loves all. It appears you have cult. You are some sad people.
Morris Hagerman
Thu Oct 29 2009 16:49
We can not just ignore hate. We must stand against it with ten fold the response. If hate is ignored, it will only encourage those that are borderline to join those that hate because of the lack of social pressure. Keep up the counter protests.
Tab
Thu Oct 29 2009 15:39
Fred Phelps is just a con man, looking to sue people, cops, and towns for money. He doesn't believe anything he truly says, he's just looking for media attention and to start a fight. He isn't a true christian either, he just uses his church status as a tax write off and to pay for transportation. I think the real issue here is that this country needs to tighten its rules about who and what can be classified as a church because it's too easy for lunatics like Phelps to call themselves a priest and to start a destructive cult.
Mitch
Thu Oct 29 2009 14:04
Westboro Baptist Church is to Christianity, as The Taliban is to Muslims
DE Teodoru
Thu Oct 29 2009 13:26
RU Catholic...I presume "Que?" means duhhhh. So let me sum up. The student Revolution of the 60s produced a state of MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE on all issues. Vietnam teach-ins at Rutgers were shinning examples of responsible debate often led by Prof. Gardner and the history students. But just as seriousness degenerated at Berkley with students drawn to the entertaining rather than the informing teach-ins, advocacy now models after TV commercials as in seeking to discover at what wave-length of light brainless insects are drawn in? So the campus becomes an attention-seeking competition joust of monologues, each infused with 90% heat, anything to catch the eye, and 10% information. Nothing could have been more advocacy oriented than Communism, yet, at 1960s UC Berkley, the Communists set aside advocacy to demand a free forum for responsible debate of ideas towards social responsible consensus—FULLY SUPPORTED BY CAL CONSERVATIVES FOR POLITICAL ACTION-- in the hope that this would lead to the best of possible activism. But that died as entertainment from off-campus trumped academic debate on campus. After that, never again did meaningful dialogue prevail at major universities. Instead, radical actions, even violent actions, were used to attract attention as if dealing with a student body of somnolent semi-comatose creatures who could care less and just don't give a damn past hedonia. Whether that indeed is the fact, serious discourse is giving way to activism instead of debate, resulting in absurd presentation of advocacy to attract attention much as one tries to attract a girl’s attention while in Old Queens; by making a fool of one's self, dis-inhibited by 20 beers. This Evangelical group knows it will not attract attention from students with its intrusive demonstration at Hillel; but it wants photos of the event and media coverage so it can use them in a mailer to squeeze money out of its Evangelists mailing list. The counter-demonstrators don't want a dialogue either. Like many of the comments to this story, they want suppression of those views. So in effect, neither side is in keeping with the rich UC Berkley tradition that 1960s Rutgers so brilliantly carried forth on the East Coast. Instead both sides want either bug-like attraction to light in the form of their "guerrilla theater" action—to later exploit for funds raising from like-minded Evangelists-- or suppression through an intimidating rejection, as in the case of the counter-demonstration. It would have been far more productive to set up a debate at Hillel (a perfect place, in keeping with the Jewish intellectual tradition of argument in search of consensus) rather than a street brawl of words which always intentionally risks turning violent, again after dis-inhibition by 20 beers from the Old Queens Bar nearby. MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE is what distinguishes us from signaling guerrillas in the forest. In this case, for different motives, both sides were guerrillas, not Rutgers academics. Does this answer your "Que?"?
Unkown
Thu Oct 29 2009 10:14
it bothers me that they came so early and had left so soon. I missed it all. But I'm glad to read that everyone protested against them and that no one got arrested!! :D
A Voice for Universal Justice
Thu Oct 29 2009 09:04
Text of a Flier Distributed by Counter-Demonstrators:

Ignore Them and They Won't Go Away

They may seem like a handful of idiots, if particularly obnoxious ones. It's tempting to just ignore them. Unfortunately, history has proven time and again that even the most outlandish ideologies of hate can rapidly evolve into something that extends far beyond mere words. Likewise, mere words are an insufficient means of responding to those who would incite the world to hatred. We cannot afford to wait until demagogues—even those as ridiculous as the Westboro Baptist Church—become too powerful.

No one understood this better than Marek Edelman. The last surviving leader of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, Edelman died only weeks ago at the age of 90. By the time the uprising began—the idea of such a struggle having been resisted by most of the Ghetto population—it was too late to win, but they fought anyway. As Edelman put it, “we fought simply not to allow the Germans alone to pick the time and place of our deaths.” Fighting impossible odds, the uprising lasted only a few weeks, but succeeded in striking a startling blow to the Nazi war machine, no doubt saving many innocent lives.

Edelman survived the war, but unlike many of his fellow resisters, he refused to abandon the country of his birth to emigrate to Israel or the United States. To leave, he felt, would be a capitulation to the same racist attitudes which had inspired the Nazi Holocaust. For Edelman, living out the rest of his years in his native Poland, to exist was to resist.

And resist he did. Edelman remained active in politics, speaking out against the injustices of the Stalinist regime which took power after the war. For his refusal to be silent, Edelman was even jailed for a time. When the Stalinist government asked him to speak at 1983 commemoration of the Uprising, Edelman refused. To speak at the event,
he said, "would be an act of cynicism and contempt" in a country "where social life is dominated throughout by humiliation and coercion."

Edelman believed that it was his duty to speak out against injustice wherever it existed, with no exceptions. In later life, Edelman noted with dismay that the Israeli government, falsely claiming to act in the name of the entire Jewish people, was engaging in oppressive behavior of its own. Founded on land seized after 800,000 former
Palestinian residents had been violently expelled—to this day denied the right to return—Israel has no fewer than thirty laws which bestow rights upon Jewish citizens that are denied to Palestinians. Edelman resented the manner in which the oppression experienced by Jews was now offered as a justification for the oppression of another people, and remained a vocal defender of Palestinian rights to the end. For his insistence on moral consistency, Edelman, despite his heroism, has been largely ignored or denounced by many Israeli historians.

Westboro Baptist Church may be a tiny fringe group. But their beliefs—that those who do not conform to their warped vision of a homogeneous, totalitarian world must be pushed to the margins of society—are dangerous. Like Marek Edelman, we must take a stand against oppression. Like Marek Edelman, we must not be afraid to speak out—and to act—even as others urge us to be silent. And like Marek Edelman, we must refuse to oppose some manifestations of bigotry only to endorse or ignore others.

Ed
Thu Oct 29 2009 02:40
Why do people keep saying that WBC should be ignored..? These people should NEVER be ignored. They should be put behind glass and studied and put into text books for students to learn of.

Everything they believe should be made public. Everything they stand for, people should be aware of. Exactly what drives them, people need to figure out.

This is what stupid is. This is what delusion is. These people are perfect to use for examples to educate, but you want they should be ignored..? You may never get another opportunity like this. Use it!

RUCatholic
Wed Oct 28 2009 20:44
DE Teodoru....

Que?

Linda
Wed Oct 28 2009 20:13
Thank-you Rutgers for standing up to the WBC. Sure, "they want attention" BUT it is very important that communities see their own neighbors respond at these protests, as inaction would imply complicity. As more people see that their neighbors, friends and family will not tolerate these hate messages in their community, the less impact that groups like the WBC will have in time. Hate comes from actions and inactions, and today Rutgers wasn't having any hate messages go unchallenged. As an LGBTQ person and Rutgers alumna, it warms my heart. Go RU !!
[Linda MGSA '04]
Mike
Wed Oct 28 2009 19:27
Way to go RU students. People who say that you should have ignored these haters are wrong. Keep standing up for what is right.
Elon Weintraub
Wed Oct 28 2009 19:00
I honestly cannot believe the Daily Targum would stoop to interviewing the Phelps-Ropers. What possible contribution do these insane hate-filled rants make to this article? Do you really think students need to screw their minds reading that?
Joe Tadrick
Wed Oct 28 2009 17:56
VERY PROUD TO BE A RUTGERS ALUM AND PROUD TO HAVE A SON ATTENDING RU NOW - GO KNIGHTS - YOU DID US ALL PROUD TODAY!!
Mom of a Rutger's student
Wed Oct 28 2009 17:52
I'm very proud of all the Rutgers student for uniting against those haters! G-d bless you all.
Regina MALS RC '06
Wed Oct 28 2009 17:11
This is a wonderful testament to the young people attending Rutgers. Peaceful and united, they stood up for what they value, and the sent the protesters away without the attention they crave. The focus was on the students, not the protest, and that is a beautiful accomplishment. GO RU!
Dan
Wed Oct 28 2009 16:56
Damn proud to be a Rutgers Alum today, good job folks.
Danielle
Wed Oct 28 2009 16:04
What happened here on College Ave this morning is exactly what religion is. It is people coming together in the absence of hate and differences to try to make the world a better and more tolerable place. It is the same message every major religious figure has taught in every major religion. I am proud to be a part of such a diverse and tolerant University. Go RU!
Aggie '08
Wed Oct 28 2009 15:57
I had chills reading this. I am proud to be a Rutgers Alum! Thank you, Rutgers Hillel!






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